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ok.....u guys(and the rest of th figgin drum world) just arent going to give in! never mind.
let me put it another way......vinnie on the MDF 2000 perhaps didnt overplay but he seems to play big fills too often and the ones he plays sometimes dont have anything to do with the tune???? he does this alot on the unreel album by randy waldman.
however the stuff on mike sterns new album "voices"....vinnie plays beautiful....tasteful musical and almost perfect!!! why cant he do that more.....ok Karizma is supposed to be busy as is the dave weckl band(its pretty much just a platform for dave to blow off) but if u look at dennis (who is a master at this) he just lays down a fat fat groove that just makes u laugh and he wont play anything for ages and then suddenly he lets loose this explosive fill that makes u jump out of ur seat..........(check out "uncle moe's space ranch). if a fill is done more tastefuly and at the right time and less often it has far more effect......this doesnt just apply to groove drummers......a drummer is a drummer!!!
ok weckl sure does play a lot of notes......when i saw him with mike stern and victor wooten i did think he played too many notes......but what he plays doesnt interupt the flow of notes.
on the steve smith dvd he looks like he is trying too hard and like 4 bars before the next section in the song he does a massive 4 bar fill that has no relation and while uve got baron browne (who is such a groovy bass player) is still groovin'......NO NO NO!!!!
why can vinnie play more like he did on the mike stern album!!!!!! and because for th most part he played so little it means that on a couple of tracks he did go over the top it wouldnt matter!!!
has anyone seen lionel cordew with mike stern??? what did u think?
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also....does anyone have "The Zone" by dave weckl??? is it any good? worth buying? r the band sections good? apparantly they play "angels flight" but that aint on his albums???
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I thought Vinnie was holding back a bit on the MD2000 video. Even at that, he was still awesome. Bought the MD2K Sunday tape to see Vinnie, but I was most blown away by Akira Jimbo!
Shed -- I'd like to hear that trio mpg. I have the BRM tape, and that's my fave part. Please email me about a trade: [email protected]. Thanx man!
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geeze it sucks being a drummer, it doesn't matter what you do, someone always has an opinion of how to do things better.
as far as the drum sounds of anyone on any of the festival or buddy memorial videos. i would venture to say that any of the drummers playing have little or nothing to do with the tone and sound of their drums except how they play them.
they are not the live sound engineer, they are not the mix engineer and are not present during mixdown. as well most of them don't set up or tune their drums.
they all have cartage and techs.
what they are good at is playing the snot out of them
for that i'm gratefull
chris perra
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Chris they do have some input on their drum sound its not all down to the engineer.
What people are expressing here chris, is their opinion on a product which they brought with their own hard earned money, just as you are.
Personally, I found the 2000DVD to be dissapointing or perhaps my expectations were too high before i saw it.
I thought that it would be a bit more Imformative than it was, considering the available space on a dvd.
I found the Tony Medirous part and, that little guy to be pointless. Tony looked like he was packing shelves in walmarts..... just exercising because he can. The little fella michael? Yeah he has facility but whats the point in wasting video time on these guys? I dont mean this to be disrespectful but I wanted some Meat for my money!
I have seen Akira in clinic and theres a world of difference when you see him live, Its awesome. But I enjoyed the performance though.
I got More from the Billy wards part which was informative AND musical and, was impressed by Hilary jones who actually played Rhyhmically and musically compared to medirous and the little fella.
dave lombardo *yawn*
Don Brewer ok
Horatio.AWESOME....i love that guy he $hits music!
Paul Leim Ok but I felt his explanation of the nashville system was not explained enough. I guess thats what premature ejac is like! It was over before he started!
Vinnie? if vinnie was anymore retrained he would have been static. The thing i liked though was, its as if he WASN'T showing off for the cameras and, approached it musically not technically (my opinion).
It was great to see Pizza being played live... was it not? Infact, just seeing vinny on film is great, I even noticed he had the new DW pedals from the camera view! Cool.
Not enough of the vinmeister as far as i was concerned on that product.
I still came away learning something from it though, which is what i bought it for.
I hope that video Derek referred to is the Document gig because that album is the biz. We'll have to wait and see.
As this was the first time i have seen vinnie apart from a sting documentary i noticed how stiff he looks when playing compared to weckl, who flows. Neither are a better player than the other but its good to see anything as near as live as you can so, money well spent.
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Whoever has this VC vid, i would be absolutely MORE than willing to arrange a trade or whatever!!.... [img]cool.gif[/img]
PS - i dont care HOW 'stiff Vinnie looks' - he can still play/scare 99% of most others right outta their Tommy Hilfiger boxers/Michael Jordan-Hanes/Fruit of the Looms....
He makes 99% of the other guys out there [my humble self included, not that i COMPLETELY suck or anything!! - but that's ANOTHER matter of opinion!! [img]wink.gif[/img] ] look like pozer-creampuffs [altho I'm not NECESSARILY talkin about the DWs/VDs/DCs/RGs/GNs of this world....] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Just my humb opin [i cant help it if it's on the side of what's RIGHT.... [img]wink.gif[/img] ]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 21, 2002 05:29 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
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I should explain what i mean by vinnie being stiff.
Watching weckl on video/dvd whatever, i cant feel or see when he intends to throw in a 16th or 32nd. Its almost like a martial art movie, its effortlessly smooth, BANG... done.
Watching vinnie, was like, I could grab his stix and help him execute it.
Like watching something in slow motion, You could see him tense up slightly before he executed.
Maybe i mean, "anticipate" whats coming?
And No, I am not on medication! (well not yet anyway... am i doctor) [img]smile.gif[/img]
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What video are you talking about D?
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The one of him with Karizma in Europe from late 2001. I figured you'd have heard about it since you seem to be current on what's out there in the boot scene. There used to be a clip on Landau's old site.
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There are a few videos from those shows, I have 1. Those were some serious playing. If you have ever heard the boots from thos eshows then you know what I mean.
